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Is Having A Bf Embarrassing Now? Discussion w/ Kenn Kenn
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Join us as we discuss Chante Joseph's article from Vogue, Is Having A Boyfriend Embarrassing Now?
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SPEAKER_02So that's good. That's a good sign. Good. That makes me very happy. That makes me hopeful for the future. Yes, America. Yes, but today we are talking about something a little on the side of some romance. Um, we are having a discussion about is having a boyfriend embarrassing now. I don't know if y'all remember the article, but yeah, pull it up, right? But it was a big news, it was a big big news, like what, last year?
SPEAKER_03I think October.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, October of last year.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think this woman is also British. No, I don't know, I don't want to miss her name is Shantae Joseph. It's a vogue article. Look up is having a boyfriend embarrassing now? Read the article, come back.
SPEAKER_02Yes, exactly. Please go back to it because it was huge, like bigger than I thought it would have been. Um, yeah, and I don't know if it hit some nerves, but oh so the conversations were like this.
SPEAKER_03I said, Why would you why would she post that? Because I felt like the conversations were ongoing for like two months, which is cool, right? I love that. But sometimes the conversations, you know how online quote unquote discourse goes, is that people also like they just do it because it's popular in the moment. But I'm like, let's actually come back and reflect on some of these aspects of it instead of just saying what's popping in your head at the first second, because you can always change your mind and say, Well, actually, this is what I took away from this, or I agree with this, but here's where I would add more context to this. We always need more nuance.
SPEAKER_02Yep, that is so true. Everybody wants to, like you said, like hop on the bandwagon and not necessarily either to have a rebuttal, like, oh, it's embarrassing to have a girlfriend, actually. And it's like, well, maybe you should look at the article, read the article, kind of process, you know, what that means. And it's not just you know, people saying, Oh, what about a girlfriend, but just the fact that people don't want to actually read the article because it has some really good stuff in it. Um, it's just questioning maybe why people are um trying to stay off of social media with their um partners, partners, and yeah, it makes sense. I mean, and the social also, yeah, people don't read. Yeah, people do not read. That's what I took from.
SPEAKER_03People don't read, yeah. Even if the sign's in your face, you're like, hey, bathroom's closed. Somebody will ask you, is the bathroom closed? Oh, what does the sign say? Missgirl. Miss girl. You have to read more than just the headline.
SPEAKER_02Pull up the article. Yes, so let's go into it. Thing is, someone so much as says my boyfriend on social media, they're muted. There's nothing I hate more than following someone for fun, only for their content to become my boyfriend fide suddenly. Ooh, yeah. Boyfriend land, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, oh, I have some examples. Actually, hold on. I have some examples on the top of my head. I'm not gonna say them, yeah, but people who I remember who I would follow on social media, and I was like, I really like the content, they're super cool. This is on TikTok specifically, because Instagram, I always really try to follow my friends on there. But TikTok is like, oh, before it was bought by America and everything. Yeah, you see everybody. There was one content creator specifically. I was like, I really like her content, and she got a boyfriend, and I was like, that's cool. Um, I think that he's significantly older than her, but we're gonna move past that. Um, not my business, and then all the content was like my boyfriend, my boyfriend, my man, my man, my man, my man, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I think what happened, right? I think it's like I get it because I have been on the end where people love seeing relationships, right? And like an example that I have is I'll take a picture of me. There's a there's a TikTok now that I'm thinking about there's a TikTok where you know where it's like you stick your hand out and it they use the SpongeBob and Squidward audio. Yeah, and they don't cheer, and they don't cheer, but they cheer for the boyfriend. That happen like that happens, happens on my end, happens on my boyfriend's end, right? We'll take a picture of ourselves, post it on our story. We're looking cute. There is no boyfriend, there's no girlfriend. It's me. 60 likes, right? 60 viewers. I don't know how people can know when you are posting your relationship on your story. It don't make sense to me how all of a sudden I see 20 no, 200. I'm sorry, 200 story views because I post my boyfriend. And the same thing with him, he's like, How they know I posted you? How do you know?
SPEAKER_03They can feel the energy.
SPEAKER_02Oh they can feel it. Who's sending who's sending this being like, Oh my gosh, I'm so happy for y'all. So you weren't happy for me when I was in the mirror by myself.
SPEAKER_03Like, oh interesting, like why do I have to post my partner for you guys to care about me as a person?
SPEAKER_02They are not the center of my universe, like, hello.
SPEAKER_03No, I think that's interesting too. I never noticed that. I don't check my Instagram likes or stories because I'm like, I deserve to be free. You should be. Free yourself because one day you'll check and you're like, why is it 400 people looking at my story? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Do I even follow 400 people? And you look, you're like, I do follow about like that's a lot of people. And honestly, even 50 people is a lot. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But the jump is like you said, you can feel the energy, they're like, hmm, I think we should look at it right now, right now, actually.
SPEAKER_03No, they know, they know something that we don't, we don't, and I think that that's interesting.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm. And so I wonder if, like, with content creation, they notice, like, oh, really care about me. Y'all just want to dance. Let me post my boyfriend, my boyfriend, my man, my man, my man. I do also twitch when it's my man, my man, my man content. I do. I do. Because I'm like, because I'm like, who are you? Like, who who is you on your own? You know what I mean? Like, yeah.
SPEAKER_03But then also, hold on. I have a point about this in the back of my mind. Keep going. Tell me. It's coming, it's coming. I can't think. I just thought about this myself because I was like, it's so interesting. Like, I don't really care. No, I know what I was gonna say. I'm back. Okay, the fact that people constantly monetize off of their partners, you can feel that shift. Like, it's somebody just posting for fun versus somebody just blatantly just monetizing off their partner. It's like, oh, I see why you're here, right? I see you're posting this person so you can get money, and also people who post specifically like relationship content, yeah, icy stuff. I see stuff. I think it's fine to we're human, it's okay to be in a relationship and break up with somebody and find somebody new, but when you're online, yeah, and you're monetizing off of like having a partner page and everything. If you guys break up, where's the money going to? That happened with um Ken and Deara. Oh, that lawsuit was bad. That no, that it's messy. That yeah, it touched a lot of worst case scenario, right? Yeah, they've been together for I don't know, I never washed their page, and then I tried to wash their page when they broke up, and I was like, oh, their stuff's gone.
SPEAKER_02I was like, I feel like stuff. I feel like they could have let this stuff continue, but knowing about the lawsuit, it makes sense. It makes a lot of sense because they would have just been um they just would have been arguing about more money, and he wasn't trying to uh give her money.
SPEAKER_03Allegedly, sorry, we don't know these people.
SPEAKER_02Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, sorry, forgot this was a public platform, however, we're not getting sued either, right? I don't I don't have no money, I don't have no money at all. I I feel like personally, I thought that it was a situation where he was screwing the money up at some point. The love was not there as we thought it was, right? Where people are just like, no, my dream come true, it's gone. Like my my one and only hope of relationships of somebody who cared for me is not in them anymore, which I feel like I would I would hate to see that on my page too.
SPEAKER_03Like when you break it with somebody, because maybe it's just like you guys, right people, but just wrong time, right? You see the first comment or multiple comments saying, I don't believe in love anymore. Oh, get up.
SPEAKER_02Um, please get up, get up, smell some go outside, touch grass, touch some grass, man, smell some hair because I'm like, this can't be it.
SPEAKER_03I have me in this phone, you don't know me, and we're we're trying to build that parasocial relationship so we can get some money off you, yes, but also hey, I know people do that differently, but I I'm sick, and also because you're not only just that relationship, right?
SPEAKER_02And you actually don't know it, like you don't know these people, like we have to we have to understand, like I get when people are like, Y'all don't know these people, like you do not know these people, and I literally do not know these people, we really don't we literally don't all we can do yeah, perceive what they show us, which is cool, but obviously if they're telling us, oh, they cheated on me, they abused me, something really drastic happened that caused our dynamic to shift right in opposite directions.
SPEAKER_03Do not post a couple edit of me in this fucking being a celebrity off of that alone because I see I send this to my sister sometime. I'm like, these people broke up, they broke up in 2009, yeah, and they still posted relationship edits, like you know a really big one the Selena and Justin. Oh gosh, they won't let those people go at all.
SPEAKER_02They have they just hoping and praying that they get back together. Like, when was the last time they were together when they was 20, 19, 22? They're both married.
SPEAKER_03They're both married people, right? Sure, that must be constantly that's annoying, but I don't know how they thrive off that. I don't know, that's really like people drama.
SPEAKER_04You remember us with Big Shine and Shanina Iiko?
SPEAKER_03I mean, the aesthetic it was a different time, it was a different time you guys weren't there, and I don't know what's going on with them now, but I haven't heard anything good, so that's how you know it's really bad.
SPEAKER_02It really sucks when you get to become a certain age where you're past the aesthetics and you see the person for who they are or at least what they portray, because we're all just going based upon public image, right? If your public image ain't good, I would not be surprised, would not be surprised if in private is not good either. Okay to give me children, but you don't want to marry me. Okay, are you saying that on live television? On interviews? You get out of my house, get out of my house.
SPEAKER_03I know that some people that's okay if that's your life and stuff. Yeah, where is it? Where I need it, sorry. Bad yeah, but also why do we need that? Let's question that.
SPEAKER_02That's a real question.
SPEAKER_04Societal needies.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's even like when people act like, why are you getting into a relationship? Yeah, what are you doing that for? Are you doing it like, oh, don't do it because you're bored, and that's what we really gotta get you some help, right? And invest in some hobbies, okay? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, let's not do that because we're bored. Yeah, if you're bored, you need to go outside and do a cartwheel and have a Nickelodeon Worldwide Day of play.
SPEAKER_02No, that's true. You have to really figure out what you're doing this because we're talking about you know how people say, like, you have to really think about having children. You gotta really think about going into the dating world. The dating world can get serious fast if you're around somebody who's serious. We're talking about the production of children. Hello? You need to be thinking, you need to be thinking.
SPEAKER_03People are actually investing their time, their money, um, their uh uh family, their friends, their whole life, their whole life, their whole life shifts when you have when you get married, when you have children, and see what they don't see, especially as a mother figure, you're no longer, unfortunately. I'm sure this whole I hope that this shifts at some point in time, but I've seen so many videos mothers saying that people don't even see me as myself anymore. I'm just a mom.
SPEAKER_02I'm like, that's really sad, right? It sucks. I've actually like seen someone grow from being a wife and a mother to knowing herself, and it's a lucky thing she's now appreciating who she is, what she has to offer. Because, you know, she loves being a mom, she loves being a wife at the time, and now it's like, hey, I can be me. I am another person, I've been another person for years, but I had to put myself on the back burner to take care of my children, and it's like that's a lot of sacrifice that I'm sorry, I gotta do right now.
SPEAKER_03Whoa whoa, I'm kind of selfish. I'll say I'm selfish because it makes me think about, and this also goes back into that conversation too about having if has having a boyfriend or just a partner in general embarrassing, right? Like Aisha Curry last year, maybe it was two years ago, had talked about being like her own person and that she didn't feel like she could be herself, yeah. And you know, people took that conversation and really ran with it in the most inappropriate ways. Like they're like, Oh, this is why you gotta hoe around, this is why you need to have sex with this many people. I'm like, that's not what she's saying. She's married to end-up NBA player Steph Curry, who's very popular. It used to be a household name now. The kids do when they throw the little ball in the chest. They're not saying Jordan, they're not saying Kobe anymore. They're saying Curry. Yeah. So that he's a big name. And then, especially when you're in the spotlight like that, you get pushed to the side. And so now she's just she's not Aisha Cray. Her name is Steph Curry's wife, yeah, which shouldn't be the norm. And she was a person before she met that man, right? She's still a person after she met that man, they have children. But the conversations that people were having around that were super weird. And we're talking to McKinsey about it, and I was like, I don't think we're taking the right the right things from this conversation, yeah. Like what she's saying, because you are a person at the end of the day, and it makes me think about how people treat men in relationships versus women in relationships. Yeah, and I also wrote down, I was like, because people have had debates about this. My personal thoughts are that who benefits more in relationships? Men are women, yeah. Men or women are not supposed to be the prize of the perfect world, but men, unfortunately, because of the patriarchy, benefit more than women in relationships societally because they grow more astronomically, women are pushed to the back burner, yeah, marriage benefits men more than women historically, financially. Um, men are looked at as more attractive, um, versus women, not all the time, but women are looked at as like lowered in value. Yeah. And even McKinsey brought up another point about one of their old former co-workers who I think we can identify as an incel. Okay, yikes, big yikes, actually. Yeah, I was like, that's an interesting question, and I will share the question with you. It was he was on Instagram live and said, Are women who have children and have a high body count um lower in value versus a woman who has a low body count and or no children? And my takeaway, as well as making these takeaway from that, was what about if you're a man? Don't you also have a child, too? Right. So if you have a high body count as a man, then you're what high value. Also, why are you putting value on me?
SPEAKER_02No, seriously, and I think that is quite interesting because these same people want innocence and want freakiness. I don't understand it because I've heard you know situations where people are just like, Oh, I want her to have a low body count or no body count, and then you want to interact with her and she has to be a freak in the sheets. How is that possible if she does not have experience?
SPEAKER_03This is when the math comes up and then no equal sign. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's confusing to me. I actually was telling uh my boyfriend recently about this situation that I remembered years ago talking to this guy from wherever that I was talking to him from any of these dating apps that I'm terrified of now, and I would tell anybody, hey, don't go on this one, don't go on that one. You might have a better chance, but I don't know these days because dating has changed significantly since we've been in the pool, right? Oh, absolutely, but and so about that earlier, really about the sign.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I yeah, I was telling somebody the apps like we would not toss past what half of these people if these dating apps didn't exist, yeah, yeah, and you would think like, oh, okay, well, a few years is not that long, yes, and in fact it is, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Stuff can change in three years, so yeah, people gotten older, people have left their relationships, got on the thing, decided, hey, I don't want a relationship, but they're out there into the atmosphere dating people who want relationships. I've had that happen. It's a scary thing because they don't know what they want, but they're with people who know what they want and want something a bit more serious, and um, yeah, it's it's it's kind of crazy. But I was telling him about this particular situation where this guy um was asking me, and I feel like he was also an incel as well, very much deep into those podcasts, and so he was like, When was the last? Time you were, you know, like with someone, and I had lied to him, and I was just like, Cause I ain't telling him because the questions you ask me, you're gonna judge me real quick. So I want to see what you can tell, you can just you can just tell, you can just tell. Um, because he thought very highly of himself. So I'm like, all right, let me let me try to make sure I'm matching what you're going for. Let's see, let's see what you would say. So I think I told him, Oh, it's been like some years, or I said maybe like two years or a year, whatever the case may be. And what about you? He told me like last month. I said, huh? Oh, oh, so it's okay for you, but it ain't okay for me, right? Interesting. What an interesting dynamic. Really? Like, I said, Oh. Who are they teaching you over there that manosphere stuff? But I think she had two parents in the home. Hmm. No. Whoa, that is not two-parent behavior. You don't live in a two-parent urban household.
SPEAKER_03Right. Where's your mom? Where's her mom? No code attack? No. People are so interesting. Because I'm like, the patriarchy in general does not benefit, although it is supposed to benefit men. Men and women are both being affected by the patriarchy. They feel that and they're like, what is the problem? Like, why do you I'm like, let's look inward. Yeah. You know, look inward and understand that hey, maybe this is harming the people around me, including myself. Because why do you feel like you have to earn this amount of money to have a woman? Or why do you feel like you need to do this, this, this, this in order to have a relationship? Have you thought maybe this stuff was set in place to make gender norms for me seem like they're okay when in actuality I'm also being harmed and I am now depressed? Yeah. Yep. Nobody ever wants to talk about that part.
SPEAKER_01Nope.
SPEAKER_03But um, I think in recently there's a video. I will say the video is called Having a Boyfriend Is an Embarrassing. You are by Lonnie's lens on YouTube. Okay. Also, I would recommend watching that video too. It's a very good look. And she also mentioned that you don't have to use the patriarchy and misogyny as an excuse to be mean to men in the name of justice. And I was like, ooh, that's a good point. That's a very good point. Because I will say, for I think in my like undergraduate years, I just saw a lot of evil stuff happening on my campus, mostly caused by men. And I was like, I really do not like you guys. Yeah. And even the idea like men are trash. And I was like, yes, I'm saying this, but I don't mean it as like all men are trash. I'm sick. Because I was like, I love my dad. My dad's cool. Yeah, right. Are there things questionable that he and other men in my family, as well as like women in my family, have done? Yes, for sure. But I'm like, from a woman's perspective, knowing that men's value uh society in society and finance and everything is higher than a woman's, that's where I was coming from. I was like, you have to understand the power dynamic. Yeah. But there also is understanding that fighting a villain is not the end all be all. Right. We can't like we have to find change with men.
SPEAKER_02Like you can't just say you're a piece of S and then And then that's it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah. Like you have to demand some change. Like, hey, have you ever thought that maybe doing this, this, and this is not appropriate, and explain why? Although educating people can be really exhausting. I understand that. But men need to be held accountable for their actions without excusing them, implicating them. Same thing with women. Yep. If you're with a man and you know that he's a piece of crap, like, why would you get in a relationship with somebody, stay there? Unless, like, there's other stuff happening there. Right. You know, domestic violence is a whole other ball game. But people like, uh, he just didn't wash his butt. Why would you say away? Why would you tell me that?
SPEAKER_02Right, exactly. And you stayed. That's the issue, too. Because it's like, y'all make it embarrassing because y'all are upset and don't know how to um say, I'm just upset, y'all. Like, I'm hurt and I'm upset. Nobody needed to know. And to be honest, right? Nobody needed to know that he did this, nobody needed to know he did that because you were perfectly fine with certain things happening. That was not the issue, right? Those other things are the issue. But you out here saying, Oh yeah, and he used to use Dawn soap to take a shower, you was okay with it. You stayed with this man for years.
SPEAKER_03Okay, don't tell us that because what are we supposed to do? He's still gonna use Dawn soap.
SPEAKER_02Like I mean, if you worried about him talking about talking to other people because that was also another issue. Trust me, the other women don't have an issue with that, and they're doing perfectly well. But here you come. And I don't that's the part I don't like. Stop acting like these people are ugly all of a sudden because y'all not together anymore. Stop acting like the things that they did, like not having a car or not having money, or all these different things that you were okay with, or maybe you felt some type of way about it, but it never pushed you until you got it. That's that part's embarrassing. Why are you telling us?
SPEAKER_03What are we supposed to do? Like, what do we take from that? You want to bash yeah. I'm like, I'm gonna turn around and be like, why the hell did they think with you got with somebody to smell like boo-boo every day? You on the sheets, boo-boo, and like no, you know the uh boo boo and porn ships, and you telling us we don't want it to be. Oh, he sang so bad all the time, and I didn't say anything about it, but it got on my nerves, and now we're broken up. I hate him. So within those five years of me being with that boo-boo, you decide to do it. People do that though.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, they do like what?
SPEAKER_03Or even honestly, like a few months, it being in a relationship doesn't matter how long it is. Yeah, it's okay to tell people and be honest, like, hey, I think we need to look into some hygiene practices because there's certain things that people don't know when they're kids, like some people's parents gainly are not teaching them certain stuff, yeah, because of like economic background and different upbringings. Um even just if you're interracially dating, people do things differently. Exactly. So I think that saying, like, oh, they just want like boo-boo and crap every day versus you like addressing it in the relationship, yeah, then and there, or even talking to your friends about it while you're in a relationship instead of keeping it to yourself, like, hey, this is really affecting me and bothering me. How should I bring this up without being me? Or maybe you guys have to have that serious talk one-on-one and be like, hey, you smell like complete boo-boo. Yeah, I I need I need this to be fixed.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. I mean, if this is if we're talking about, right? Because a lot of people throw this. I want this person to be with me, I want to be with them for the rest of my life. If you're talking about that, you need to have those serious conversations because you don't want that person to be embarrassed. If you think they smell like boo-boo, nine times out of ten, other people don't feel like he smells like boo-boo. So you hanging out with him or even her, right? You're hanging out with them, he smells like boo-boo and four chips, and the waiter looking at you like, are you going to address that? Who smells like that in here?
SPEAKER_04And that's not your that's not their boyfriend, so they're just gonna be looking at you like you don't smell that, you don't, yeah, or just little stuff, like, oh, I don't like how you tip, or maybe how you don't tip at all.
SPEAKER_03I'm like, those are things you gotta address within the relationship. Although you can't change people all the time based on their certain beliefs and stuff, but I'm like, I think that within every relationship that you're in, there's something that you can learn from each relationship, either about the other person, yourself, or how you two connect together, right? Even if you don't last a long time, that's okay. That is okay. It should be okay. Yeah, like there's no there's no winning at relationships, there's no winning at being single, there's no winning in this life at certain things. Like, there's no you're not gonna get a reward for being single, you're not gonna get a reward for being in a relationship, although on the other side from from both perspectives, like people who may have been single their whole lives have been like, I just want a relationship, and that's fine. Again, these things are all okay, but they're like, Oh, the other side of the relationship, I see people who are always happy and doing this, I want companionship. You don't know what's going on in that relationship. That relationship can be terrible, yeah, toxic. You send a text. I'm not gonna say anything to people's name. Please change that since we were from high school. Uh-huh. Boy, oh boy. Yeah. What a tumultuous relationship that looks like every time they post. I think I had to unfollow them. Okay, this is getting rough.
SPEAKER_02Do you unfollow them? I could see that. I can definitely see that.
SPEAKER_03I want peace on my timeline.
SPEAKER_00She could have said, and I quote, they toxic as hell.
SPEAKER_02Because, like, at first, like, you don't realize how close you can be to a toxic relationship on social media because you feel like majority of them are always out there, like, out there where you're just seeing it on social media. You don't actually know these people, but when you know whether it be both of them or half of them in this particular instance, it's only half. It's like there is no way I'm seeing this actively, actively deleting posts, actively deleting stories, like they was gonna delete you knock on.
SPEAKER_00And then they get back together with that story.
SPEAKER_02And then they get back together talking about some look at my baby. Are you kidding me? That's a very rough watch. Um I was I was so mad because I was like, you can tell when somebody's gonna delete something nowadays. You can really record it. I got the screenshots. You can't play with me right now. You cannot play.
SPEAKER_00I remember we all woke up because I remember it was this when they were good too. That's my aesthetic. I know. That's how it's really sad because I did not know it was going like this.
SPEAKER_04This was it was it was going because like I was like, oh, I see the play. You're not gonna fool me right now.
SPEAKER_03You're trying to embarrass somebody because they have a higher social media platform versus you, who also may have a high social media platform. Oh, I'm sorry, we're not laughing at the tox relationship.
SPEAKER_02We're really not, but like I cannot but like that happened in real time. I think that's why we're gonna I think that's why we laughed so hard because it's like this happened in real time. Like going back to the profile, profile picture deleted. I said, huh? I didn't make this up. We got we deleted it on every platform, yeah. Like, and and it was in it, and it was pretty serious stuff, too, might I add. Yeah, pretty serious allegations, pretty serious cheating, and we're still going back, and still going talking about look at my baby.
SPEAKER_04I was heating, I'm so mad. I said, Oh, I see the plate. I'm not gonna entertain y'all no more with this. No, I had to unfollow.
SPEAKER_03I said, choosing peace. Yeah, you gotta be.
SPEAKER_02I didn't even know that they were together because like it made it seem like they was just cool, they were just friends, they were pretty close. I thought they were besties.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they obviously were way more than this. More than that. More than that was obvious to everybody else, but it was not obvious to me. I was like, wait, what's the timeline?
SPEAKER_02You can't follow them. You can't follow them.
SPEAKER_03You don't know where, like, if I were to ask them, so when did this all start? I don't even know if they would know. I doubt it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I feel like everything, I bet you, if we exhausted, I know 100% they close friends exhausted too.
SPEAKER_03They are exhausted, yeah. I'm like, yeah.
SPEAKER_00If I saw what I saw, yeah, my timeline happening every other week. Yeah, I'd be hired.
SPEAKER_03I'd be like, hey, I deserve better than this. I don't have to keep coming back to you just because you're familiar, right? That I think is embarrassing. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of seriousness happening, and then it goes down, and you're like, I'm going back. Oh no, I can't help you.
SPEAKER_02Now we gotta start asking ourselves, why? Why do you want to go back when there are so many other people out there in the world that you can talk to that you can interact with? You don't need to double back sometimes.
SPEAKER_03No, no, no, not four times. I don't know, like why to know?
SPEAKER_02Like, you should have really said that, and they probably would have blocked me, and that's perfectly fine because I think more people need to have it if you commented. No, seriously, like because I hope you're okay, right? Like, I'm gonna look like a I'm gonna look like a real idiot. I'm gonna look like a real idiot. What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do?
SPEAKER_03I I'm like, were these supposed deleted or archived? Because I know those screenshots are somewhere.
SPEAKER_02I somewhere listen. I love that we had a group chat where we can exchange that because I'm not gonna deal with it by myself.
SPEAKER_03No, that would not be crazy. It's also text messages and pictures. I said, Oh, this is just the pictures.
SPEAKER_02Why do we need to know that? Why do we need to see that? We don't, we don't, and you saying all of this, be and see that's also another thing that I feel is very embarrassing. Yes, you talk about this person like they're trash, which I get it, their actions might have been, but they was never that person to you. Don't call them the B-word, don't call them the you know, um B B A N. Don't call them all these different types of things when they was not like that. Y'all was just cuddled up, and then all of a sudden it takes you like months, you know, weeks, whatever, how long, and y'all boot up. We not happy for you. I'm not happy for you. You want us to be happy, we're not happy for you, bro. We're not happy. I'm upset that you had me riled up this way, and then it's like, is me and my man, my man. We remember, we remember, my man, my man, my man. We were just dogging him last week. What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_03Like, I can't, I have to, I'm not holding your hand anymore. Be free.
SPEAKER_02We're not gonna do, and that's why like I've taken a stand because I've taken this stand before where I'm like, I can't always trust other people's feelings when it comes on to you know, expressing yourself when it comes on to a man or when it comes on to a girlfriend, because y'all gonna be booed up the next day anyway. So I am going to keep it as cool. If I see the guy, I'm gonna be like, hey, what's up? If I see the girl, I'm gonna be like, hey, how are you? Like, I'm not gonna treat anybody any differently due to the fact that y'all can't get along. Because that is that can be very fleeting, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, because arguments too and relationships, I'm like, who knows? Yeah, it can also be fixed the next day. Yeah, of your friends may not know. Yep. Personally, this is where I stand.
SPEAKER_02I think you should share what's happening in relationships 100%. When I was in my relationship, I was like, We're gonna carry this shit to the grave.
SPEAKER_03It's not always healthy, no, yeah, you know, because like you do need to talk to other people and get other people's perspectives, right? But we always ended up working it out, yeah. I was like, that's cool, but I'm like, what if I just said, Oh, I hate this today, right? And no, your friends are gonna remember that and be like, I be hate them too.
SPEAKER_02I'm like, oh well guys, you gotta patch it up with your friends, that's what you gotta avoid. And I mean, like, I think that people need to understand the difference of sharing something when it is something to share. Because if we're talking about you and your boyfriend can't agree on, I don't know, uh greens and whatever, and you have this passion and you start diving into disrespecting him. I have had instances where I'm like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, don't be disrespecting him with me now because right, let's reel it back a little bit. I know you're upset, I know you are hurt, but watch tomorrow when y'all hugged up and cheesed up. People are not going to feel that for you because they're gonna remember when you had this issue, and now you have to double back, remember who you spoke to about him to say actually or her.
SPEAKER_03Okay, they're like, We're going on vacation next week, and you're like, Oh, oh, yeah, like you know, these things in your relationship, because I'm like, nobody else is in your relationship except for you. Right, unless like something super drastic is happening, exactly oh, I'm not able to talk to my friends, my family doesn't know what's happening. That's when you're like, Oh, I need to call, I need to call my friends so they can help me and assist me. Those are very different instances, but it's something like very minuscule. Like I hate when you don't fill up my gas.
SPEAKER_00Something crazy like that.
SPEAKER_02Like you don't talk to me while you're on the game, like, all right. I mean, well, well, everybody brain can't multitask, some of us are neurotypical, so yeah, sometimes you gotta realize that it's so true, and it's like we social media does not need to know every single argument that y'all have. We're good because once we and that's the thing, like uh another thing that I don't like is if we are to bash this person and we have a whole bashing squad, if we have a party and I'm getting lit in the club, do not tell me to come out the club, don't tell me you brought it to social media, you brought it to the internet for all of us to have discussion, discourse on, and you mean to tell me that you're gonna double back and say we're good and um stop disrespecting him, stay out of our relationship, huh? What what do you mean by that?
SPEAKER_03You brought now we're all in their relationship. We're all in their relationship. I fear we're all invested in what's going on in your home, in your house, in your camera, I'm in your refrigerator, actually. Because now I feel like I need to have a say. Right. I think that the hard part with these conversations, too, is like there's so much nuance with these, yeah. Like, yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Maybe everything come past up. Yeah, that's what we should do.
SPEAKER_03Come past up. Don't tell me in the moment, like I hate this person. Are you guys still together in this moment? Right. Right. Come back to me tomorrow and let me know what your thoughts are. What's your thoughts are? Yeah, yeah. You're just upset because if you tell me today, yeah, I was like, it's okay to be upset. Don't tell me right now because you're obviously irritated. And that's fine. But come back to me tomorrow before I start to hate your partner and question why is this bum still with you? Yeah, right. You're not even about to do that. And then you try to be like, I feel like I don't really know. I don't even know people's relationships, and I find that that's beautiful.
SPEAKER_02Because it's like, if as long as y'all are working it out, people need to understand the difference between sharing something that is very serious from sharing something that you guys can definitely work out. If you're just trying to vent with your friends, you can vent with your closest people that know how you are and say, Yes, something something needs to happen there before your partner or they either start looking at you differently or your partner differently.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_01Something needs to happen. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Before we start getting into the nitty-gritty of the relationship, yeah. Before I start to go back and be like, Well, this Instagram post wasn't right, do not piss me off because I will one for sure be involved and then have a say. Y'all not gonna tell me I can't be involved. Right. What are you saying? I need to hear some, I need to hear what's going on. So if I ask you for an update, you better tell me instead of being like, Oh, we patched it up. Okay, so what that mean? Because you had me in it.
SPEAKER_00Why would you tell me that?
SPEAKER_03Don't triangulate me. Oh, yeah, you do not involve me because I get super involved. I'm like, kill them. Instead of breaking up, they need to no longer be with us. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_02Exactly.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, the certain things, especially like, oh well, they did this. This and this. I'm like, oh, they need to die. Next day, kissing on the on the story. Exactly. I know you're joking. Whoa.
SPEAKER_02And then I'm looking like, I'm what the hell just happened? What is happening? Like, what's going on? Yes. And then I'm on my phone looking crazy. Right.
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_02It gets exhausting.
SPEAKER_03I'm like, if you're tired, I'm tired. I know your partner's tired. We all tired.
SPEAKER_02We all tired. We tired of hearing it. And it's it's definitely on the uh range of the boy who cried wolf. Why you always want to talk about these things that y'all could have easily fixed? Why does social media need to know when y'all are not doing good? Single again. What are you talking about? He right next to you in the bed.
SPEAKER_01Hate that man. I hate that man.
SPEAKER_02Uh girl's trip soon. Question mark. Girl, you don't need to go on no girls' trip. You need to fix.
SPEAKER_00Single. Oh no, I prefer they get on the notes.
SPEAKER_02Oh, best believe. The way how I hate the notes having music. Sad right now. We know. We know why. We know why. And if I respond with a broken heart. Broken heart. Okay.
unknownLet me wrap it up.
SPEAKER_02If that was me, I would sigh because I'm just like, you are such a sad person.
SPEAKER_00Oh, we got Rob Wave in the chat. We got Rob Wave about that. That man is always sad.
SPEAKER_02Always sad. And he wanted happiness for you. And he's one of the no happy songs. And but you know what? He's still making that bank because his fans are sad too.
SPEAKER_03We have to pull ourselves up.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Okay.
SPEAKER_03We can't always be down. Find your own happiness. If you lose in the wrong way, I I have fear for you. Yeah. Because I don't think you should do that to yourself. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01If you're playing sad, fine.
SPEAKER_03Every day can't be a bad day.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm. You gotta you gotta be looking up. And like I also don't want the you gotta have genuine positivity. Because like some people post and you can tell that they're just doing that. I want to do that.
SPEAKER_04No that they're sad. You don't have to post nothing. We don't believe you.
SPEAKER_03When I'm sad, I journal. And I think that more of us, if you start writing, working on our penmanship, practicing cursive, let's just get our thoughts out versus going to social media first. Yeah, that's a good idea. I understand people come to social media for different things again. I feel like I always have to put a disclaimer where certain things don't like you know, people I get hold on, this is not a direct, yeah, this is not an act, this is not a subtweet. I just want you to get some help. So I was honored, okay. That's it, that's all y'all deserve to be happy. Like, you really have to give disclaimers to our people too, which is unfortunately the truth now with social media too. Like, oh, if it doesn't apply, let it fly.
SPEAKER_01What happened to that?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. You gotta give your disclaimers. You have to give your disclaimers because people are extremely passionate, and I have been in situations where people would come to me, vent about something, and be like, hey, listen, before I do get into it, I just want you to know that I'm just upset. I'm hurt right now, and if I do go back with this man or I do go back with this girl and I'm smiling at her face, you know why. Thank you so much for letting me know that I should not be taking this seriously.
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna take it.
SPEAKER_02Yep. But don't expect me to be up here, right?
SPEAKER_03You're gonna be here. Honestly, disclaimers are really appropriate, I feel like. You kind of need more of those um certain instances, but this has nothing to do with boyfriends. What I find on social media now it says this is called the bean soup theory. Somebody posted on TikTok a while ago, like, oh, I'm making bean soup. Somebody in the comments said, What if I don't like beans? So this is a bean soup. Yeah, this is called a bean soup soup. Yeah. You don't have to watch this video. Right. Make your own dang soup. Yeah. There's also other ingredients and other things you can do.
SPEAKER_02What if I don't like beans? What is yeah, then you're just not gonna have the soup. You get some chicken noodle. Right, there's plenty of other content for you to indulge in.
SPEAKER_03And that's the other thing with having your boyfriend. If you don't like that person, there's there's been plenty of other content creators that I found who have boyfriends and I don't know about them. Yeah, yeah, and that's very true, or they'll bring them online sometimes, and that's cool too. But even then, that's another topic the evil eye, the evil eye, yeah, yeah, the blurring of the face on social media. What is that?
SPEAKER_02I just want people to know that it's we don't care, like we don't know that person, I don't know them, and if you are fearing that so much, do you even think that you should be with them? Yeah, ooh, mmm, because I've seen a couple of things where people post to somebody's man and they're like, Oh, she he your man too? What you mean by that?
SPEAKER_00So now we all need to have a discussion.
SPEAKER_02Now we all need to have the threads, he's everybody's man, it seems. Are we in fear of that? Like, I just want like I just want people to I just want people to understand. Like, I remember like Flo Millie was doing that, and I'm like, I don't care.
SPEAKER_03Flo Millie, you are a celebrity. You are celebrating. I don't understand. Oh hold my hand? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02We don't care. We don't care. We don't trust me. We don't care about a Haitian man.
SPEAKER_03I know she loves her dark skinned Haitian man. She's mentioned her music multiple times.
SPEAKER_00And Lotto, we're gonna get to you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we're not we're gonna focus on Flo Millie. Queen, we don't care. We don't know that you and your baby are happy, and your baby is gorgeous, very cute, baby.
SPEAKER_02That's uh just the cutest baby. I know where he got his looks from.
SPEAKER_03From Puffy's poffia, uh, no need to cover your man. What's the point of that? What's the do you not want happy? Well, you got are you at the spy museum? Why are we hiding? What's the reason?
SPEAKER_02I'm so confused with wanting the secrecy because I'm like, we post right. Why are you posting this picture when you could have had it by yourself? You wanted us to know you had a boyfriend, you wanted us to know you was with somebody. Stop acting like, oh, you know, I just it was a cute picture. You could have had that same picture by yourself. You could have told that man move. Exactly. You talk by myself. You know how many times there are a lot of different people who had a boyfriend and their girlfriend in the background, specifically their boyfriend in the background, and we would never know. Exactly. You that's the point, we don't know. We don't know, but then when you realize, oh, this person had a whole bunch of pictures with them in it, they just never posted it on social media. Maybe that's how it's supposed to be. If you really want to hide, if you really want to hide the the uh the boyfriend turning around and you on his arm, we don't care. Let that man I don't want to see that man's face because if y'all both look good, then why are you high?
SPEAKER_03But I will say the other day, you know it's graduation season right now. Yeah, saw somebody, you know, because Instagram suggests the post. This man posted this girl. Well, I never know what she looks like. Didn't tag her face.
SPEAKER_00Oh blur, yeah, like I she congratulate. Can we congratulate her?
SPEAKER_02Why are we blurring her? Somebody's girlfriend somebody else's person.
SPEAKER_03I didn't even know that men were doing that. That actually surprised me. I was like, oh, this is gonna take form in other places as well.
SPEAKER_02Well, blurring of my graduation, we can't even have a proper graduate. Do not show me this person.
SPEAKER_03Because who we congratulating if you're the only person that's visual in the picture, but you ain't got no grad cap stole or uh gown on.
SPEAKER_02Why are we saying congratulations to a no face? I just want to understand why why is this a thing? And that's what I'm talking about. These celebrities be doing it, and don't get me wrong, celebrities have every right to cover what whatever is going on if they can do it properly. Because back in the day when people was hiding their relationships, we did not know anything about certain people's relationships. At least it was fun, and it was fun, it was fun to just guess back in the day when paparazzi would get them like walking into the house or on vacation or something. Like, oh, this is real good gossip. This is good gossip. Y'all are not celebrities. You are not a celebrity. Stop trying to use celebrity status for your bottom tier life. And I'm not saying it in a sense of like like I'm not a celebrity, it's very bottom tier news, it's very much bottom tier. You think I'm gonna be like let me hide D. Why am I gonna do that? For what?
SPEAKER_03I'm sorry, even if we broke up, you're gonna be on my page. They know what you look like, bro. I will get I will get consent and be like, do you want to be in this post? Yes or no. Right. Because you were a part of my life for a long time. Do you want to be on this Instagram page? Yes or no? It's a real question.
SPEAKER_02People knew you were here. Let me not let me not pretend you did not exist for three of them solid years.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like do you want to be in it? Yes or no? Like, I don't care. I think that most people honestly should do that too. Like, if you're on uh okay terms, because everybody is relationships differently, and that's also another thing that I can mind. Like, people are like, I'm not friends with my exes, and I think that it's an interesting conversation, maybe for a different day. Yeah, because people have people have very solid, firm thoughts on that. Like, I understand where everybody's coming from. He wants we're in the middle. But there was a girl, or actually, I just remember this girl specifically on TikTok. She was like, Everybody, no, there was a girl talking about one of her friends. She says she keeps all her partners' relationships up. Because she's like, Who like am I supposed to be embarrassed for just being a human being and dating and being young? Right. You have a point, Missy. Yeah, you have a point. Unless it's like usually like we didn't end on a good term or whatever, or honestly, just even posting without like consent, like, oh maybe I don't want to be on there. Now you're in my stuff.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_03But yeah, I was like, that's an interesting uh conversation.
SPEAKER_02It does. I think that's really nice. I think that like for me, I've always been like chill in terms of that because I prioritize how I used to speak to you and then afterwards, right? So if there was no if if we had a pretty decent, solid relationship or whatever and things just didn't work out, um that's fine. Like, I'm not gonna treat you any differently, and it's the same with like no longer being friends with someone, like if you're no longer friends with someone, it's not you know, like F you unless it's whatever you guys like uh um generated to be. But I was cool with you. I mean, you aren't my boyfriend anymore, you aren't somebody that I'm talking to anymore. I have a boyfriend, I respect him, um, and he respects me, and we just like it's just cool like that. We're not gonna have those type of conversations like how we used to, because there's a boundary there. And you have to establish boundaries, you know, with someone who you used to talk to. If you guys both agree that, okay, let's just not speak to each other, then that's a mutual thing of I don't see you on social media, I don't talk to you, we don't have any conversations. But I find myself to be cool with people that I used to talk to, and it's not in a sense of, yeah, we cool, we hang out, we talk to each other. Like, no, it's just I see that person. We're cool, real. Like, I so happen to see this person, they happen to see me, they like a post of mine, I like a post of theirs, but it's not like a oh, like we talk every day, we're we're friends, we hang out together.
SPEAKER_00I think it's over, it's over, bro.
SPEAKER_02And as soon as you both understand that it's over, trust me, things are way better when you realize that it's done. There is no other, and I feel like people need to trust in that a lot more. If you trust in that a lot more to say, y'all are done, y'all are over. There is no continuation. The only time is continuation if it's one person or both of y'all thinking, Oh, I mean, we can talk like we used to, we can do this like we used to. No, y'all cannot, y'all not together.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, there's always a shift. I'm like, it depends on where you're both at in your life. Cause, like, who knows? Things can change in the future. I've seen people stop being in a relationship and come back together. I'm like, oh, that's really beautiful. Yeah, and I've done that before in my past where I've ended a relationship with somebody and then we got back together and we ended it again, and I was like, Yeah, we probably shouldn't have done that. That's okay. I had to try twice.
SPEAKER_02Sometimes you do got to try twice. I have definitely like double back because you're in different phases of your life where you think, like, all right, we got to lose.
SPEAKER_03Nothing crazy happened, and then you go back, you're like, Well, we tried and we're gonna. Maybe we guys probably knew it the first time.
SPEAKER_02Like, you know what? That's why we're not together.
SPEAKER_03I remember it's all coming back. Like a boring, with a reminder. You need that reminder too. Yes, nothing's embarrassing about that either. Unless something super heinous was happening, like, yeah, if I was posted on social media condoms on the comments and all that, and I go back, yeah, everyone has full permission to slap me silly.
SPEAKER_02Yes, slap me real silly, slap me back to less lucky never happen, but I have seen it happen to others, yeah, and then they go back, and I'm like, oh, perfect.
SPEAKER_03Yep, and it's just like rooting for you, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Like, that's also another thing, too. Like, you have a support system, you don't want to make the support system shaky by making silly decisions. Talk to your support system, really get an understanding of certain things. Like, come on, y'all, y'all don't have to do this alone. And if I think that you are being embarrassing, I'ma tell you, you're being embarrassing.
SPEAKER_03That's what good friends are for. Hey, so this is what you're acting like right now, and I want you to read this.
SPEAKER_02I want you right.
SPEAKER_03Can we get can we get to here instead of here?
SPEAKER_02You know, so we we need that exactly. I um another point is um the discussion of the friends who actually do not care, and um not like care in a sense where like nothing was wrong. Like, I literally like have a friend who I've seen them on social media and they would like post their partners, and it's like the best thing in the world YouTube channel, things happening, date night, traveling, all these different stuff, and then they no longer are together. And I mean, you don't always follow up with those people, you just happen to see it at one point, and then they're not with that person, and then soon after, or I feel like it's soon after, right? They're with somebody else, um, things are going great. Cycles repeating, cycles repeating.
SPEAKER_00Oh, you know what?
SPEAKER_03Get that money, yes, yes, and YouTube channel, I wouldn't do that, but I feel like that's a lot, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I YouTube channel, yeah.
SPEAKER_02That was like a while back too. They haven't done YouTube channel, they haven't done YouTube channel now, so maybe it's like something where it's like, you know what? Yes, we've learned, we've learned, we've learned, and I remember thinking to myself, like, I want to tell them, like, wow, I see you, and not in a sense of like you you're not in a sense of you being a player, but like those things do hold people back from going into another relationship, right?
SPEAKER_03Yes, constantly shrinking yourself, yeah. Never shrink yourself, no it just beat you to the fullest. Honestly, I wouldn't do a YouTube channel, I love that. I love that for them.
SPEAKER_02Because they probably thought like things were going places, you know, like things were going places, they were together.
SPEAKER_00You never know where this relationship would take you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, now you now you know, and it's like, you know what? Correct, correct, yeah. You gotta be careful, and it's you gotta be careful. And so I was thinking about it. Yeah, there's the way how they would hate me as a celebrity, they'd be like, girl, no, they'd be like, what's wrong with this one? What's wrong with this one? Something's up with her, it's like have fun, yeah. A YouTube channel.
SPEAKER_03Wow, yeah, it's clever gasted, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Couples channel, a couple's channel, a couples channel, not he just so happened to be in there, but a couple's channel.
SPEAKER_05Oh I know, I know, I know.
SPEAKER_02You know what? She tried to monetize, I'm sure. I'm assuming. But you know what? She was somebody else, and they get married, so yay! Okay, okay. Is the channel deleted or because the channel was like more the earlier stages. I didn't even think I had my bachelor's degree yet when I remember that channel. So it's a while back. Young, young and young and silly. Young and silly. We're just we're doing it. Yeah, I mean, I think I think she was I think she was thinking that it was going to be a long-term. But like you said, relationships. Now you realize, like, this is the time to have the effects. This is the time where you realize and process what people have done in the past, how it has affected them now, and what we can avoid moving forward. Because I haven't seen a lot of relationship pranks lately.
SPEAKER_03Oh that used to be a whole thing. Oh, there's a channel. I'm not gonna list their name. I used to watch them religiously. Yeah. Yeah. I did not realize that that was like the stick. Yeah. I thought that it was like for fun. I said, oh no, they're doing this to make money. Money, yeah. Oh. I was 17 at the time and I didn't realize. I was like, oh, what a cute couple. Yeah. Looking back, that was champ.
SPEAKER_02Use a champ is so yes on brand.
SPEAKER_03The the pranks that they were doing against each other. I think now they have an OnlyFans or something. I was like, oh. I just happened to find, I said, Oh, I remember this channel name. Is that them? It is. I said, Oh, I'm seeing stuff I was not expecting to see on Instagram. Oh, love that for them. Yeah, they're still together, right? I was like, Oh, this is a stick. This is what people talk about. People romanticizing, people monetizing off of people's um vulnerability of wanting to be in a relationship, right?
SPEAKER_02Yep, and also and you have to recognize that not every person is going to. I I started losing that feeling of watching the pranks because I agree, like the pranks used to be on and popping, like they used to be so funny with the pranks and cute and stuff.
SPEAKER_00I'm like, that's not funny.
SPEAKER_02You're trying to give your partner a heart attack, like, whoa. Yeah, yep. Like doing things that really like with the whole like using the best friends, using the sister, using the the brother, and all these different things is like it's starting to hit home just a little bit too closely. And I know that like maybe that's the fun, maybe that's the part, but like I'm looking to I'm waiting for the I'm waiting to laugh.
SPEAKER_03I'm still waiting to get my giggle out because right now my screen, I'm looking at my screen like this.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because it's also like nowadays it's not even genuine because sometimes I'll see stuff and I'm like that's definitely a skit because I've been through this time and time again. You come into the car, the phone is propped up.
SPEAKER_03Immediately, and everybody acts like they can't see that dang phone.
SPEAKER_02You can see yourself in it, it's properly in the I think the phone. The phone, the phone is flipped around to where it is properly in the frame. You remember back in the day when the phone was not in the frame?
SPEAKER_03People used to get away with stuff, yes.
SPEAKER_02They used to hide the camera, they used to literally hide the camera. I haven't seen a camera hidden since.
SPEAKER_03Everybody's faking a reaction, too.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Ooh, people are faking their reaction. I don't know what to believe anymore. I don't like it. I don't like it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I'm starting to hate you guys. That's where I'm at right now. Because why are you trying to lie to me?
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm. Oh, so y'all think y'all are actors? Okay, I'm gonna show you a real good act.
SPEAKER_03Is not checking for you guys. We don't care at all. We don't care. Some people really are invested in that stuff, too. But I'm like, maybe it's because they're younger. Because I was like, I used to be 17. Yeah. I stand with you guys, I know. But at my big age, 10 years almost removed. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I think it's also realized. I now I don't know if you had this like with your older family members, like your parents or like an auntie or an uncle, but I think it also catches them as well because of the lack of experience. Lack of experience with the younger generation, lack of experience with the older folks getting into the TikToks, the YouTube, the Instagram, and all these different things. And it's like, sweetheart, I've been there and done that. This is a skit. And I'm not going to lie to you. Julia, they're lying to you. I'm not gonna be fooled. You're not gonna fool me acting like oh, she got locked out of the apartment or whatever, or this happened, or that happened. She they called, and your camera is on the dashboard. I'm not stupid.
SPEAKER_01That footage is crisp.
SPEAKER_02That footage is crisp. Not that go out of focus one time.
SPEAKER_03Interesting.
SPEAKER_02And you mean to tell me that y'all, you just so happen to start this conversation in the car as soon as they come in the car?
SPEAKER_03You know the planning for that takes time too. Yes, yes. People used to really hide the camera, it was out of focus. People are like, oh, sorry, the camera messed up. People would say, Oh no, it's a prank, it's a prank. The camera's right here. Yes. You can't even say that because the camera is right here.
SPEAKER_05You're trying to crash in the camera.
SPEAKER_02Listen, the like the only time you know it's a freaking prank is when they start laughing. Y'all not doing creatives no more. It's not getting creative. I rem yes. This it's it's right there, the camera. It's a prank. It's a prank. You remember they had to jump to get the camera before that person starts really going off. Y'all remember that?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. We used to fight.
SPEAKER_02People used to fight. We used to use the jump, leap across that bed.
SPEAKER_03People don't even care anymore. They don't even care about the crap, they just line to your face.
SPEAKER_02Camera right in their face.
SPEAKER_03Imagine just this is the camera. You're like, what? No, what?
SPEAKER_02Like, oh my god, you're selling. Like, I don't be believing. I don't be believing. Like that whole cheesecake factory thing. I don't believe y'all. That did not exist. That was a prank to me. That was a skit to me.
SPEAKER_03Oh, the hypotheticals.
SPEAKER_02The hypotheticals will be the death of us. I just want people to know.
SPEAKER_03It's always, hey, are you gonna save your children in this house fire or your husband?
SPEAKER_02And you know that has really broken up a lot of relationships because people take it and they run with it. They run with it.
SPEAKER_03You're not gonna save me, but you're gonna you're gonna save our infant children. Yes. The children who are more vulnerable, whereas you are a grown person and can probably run. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00The fact do you make your mil you don't make your husband's play for him?
SPEAKER_02Who's gonna sit in the front seat with you? The parent or your significant man?
unknownJust put me in the back. I don't care.
SPEAKER_02You can't even you're not even in a relationship. Why do you feel the need to answer this question? Oh, Twitter. What you used to be? Now you can put it. I remember when Twitter used to be funny. You remember that? Like when we used to have when I used to be laughing out loud every other tweet.
SPEAKER_00I feel like I laughed out loud recently.
SPEAKER_03It's just somebody acts, is bikini bottom of walkable city. I was like, wow.
SPEAKER_00That's a really good question.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's a really good question. But apparently, people are like, no, that's why Spongebob wanted to drive anywhere. I was like, or he ran to work.
SPEAKER_02Work is down the road.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. SpongeBob Patrick, Norwich drove.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That's the last time I probably laughed out loud, or just like looking at sister stuff. Well, yeah, I haven't seen that hypothetical on my timeline, luckily in ages. Yeah. I'm grateful for that.
SPEAKER_02I just I go on Instagram because I feel like Instagram has um I'm I mean, just uh you can have Twitter on there, you can have TikTok on there, you can everything everything's on Instagram, so I I don't go on Twitter as much, but it it was so nice when black Twitter was like a thing, and it wasn't like really a a discussion about black Twitter, it just was something that just was a thing because we existed as people, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I think ever since 2020 happened, and along with black people and the black community and how people look at us, there's been a shift in everything because I was on TikTok before 2020, and what it has become post-2020, and even post um 2024, 2025. I was like, oh, this is crazy to witness. Like, we used to be doing trends, guys.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we used to really be because mind you, like used to do this, yeah, we don't do that anymore.
SPEAKER_03No, I love that people are hype, like critically thinking about things. I have had so many good videos come out of TikTok, and I'm like, oh, that's a really good way to look at that. Yeah, the other side of that is people definitely rage me for sure.
SPEAKER_02100%. I think that there is a there is a um push for misinformation, but I think that there is more people understanding what misinformation is, understanding what what AI, not AI, um, uh credible sources, non-credible sources. Like we are really trying to because a girl like me, I my mom be saying something to me about something she saw on TikTok. I said, hold on, let me fact check it real quick because I will not be given information on TikTok because people literally have YouTube videos talking about how somebody has died or has cancer or something, and they are alive and well. Nothing is wrong with them. Go on their account, search it up, and see if ABC News or CNN or even freaking TMZ has said anything about them having this thing, and I guarantee you, if they didn't say anything, it didn't exist.
SPEAKER_03I asked you the other day, somebody said Willow Smith had a baby. That's it. Yeah, we're talking about the same Willow Smith. I heard I heard that it's true. I doubt it. I have not fact-checked it because I was like, Willow Smith does not seem like the type of person right now. Willow Smith is what, the same age as McKinsey. And if she wants to have a baby, I mean people do that. Well Millie's younger than the both of us, and she's but Willow Smith. The same Willow Smith, I don't think so. Yeah, if you do have a baby, Willow, if you ever listen to this, congrats. But I just don't know if that's true or not.
SPEAKER_02I just don't I am s I'm like, where the heck are you guys getting this information from?
SPEAKER_03Like people do definitely celebrities definitely post and delete stuff for sure. But I was like, I feel like it would have been more known if Willow indeed did have a child.
SPEAKER_02I just don't like I'm I I'm like, yeah, like I'm I'm scared I'm searching it up because I'm like, I don't I don't get what like where do you get this information? It's like there is no credible sources. Only thing I'm seeing is Facebook, a few YouTube, uh a few YouTube videos explaining her relationship with somebody, and I'm just like, and I agree with you, Willowed apparently she in a full-fledged relationship with the person named Tyler Cole. Allegedly, I don't know, but I don't know who that person is. I don't know, but I'm like, yeah, like y'all just making stuff out there.
SPEAKER_03It sounds like a white person.
SPEAKER_02I think she's biracial.
SPEAKER_03Yes! I was like, I know this person because it beat me out of our side. Okay, that's the exact one. They made any other music. I'm sorry, I don't know you, and I fear I won't be listening to your music. You're you're killing it, I'm sure. I don't know. Cause I'm not listening. But that's interesting. That was a good song.
SPEAKER_02A time, a uh oh yeah, they're they're like they're together together, I guess, and they collaborate and stuff.
SPEAKER_03Oh I have not heard a single song from either of them together since meet me at our spot. If there's other music you made, I love that. Right, like okay, interesting. I did I didn't know that was happening. No, yeah. The AI partnerships, honestly. You know what? I think going back to the boyfriend conversation. Here's another thing if you have a partner who has like had AI psychosis, don't tell me that.
SPEAKER_02And like the thing about because I saw Megan Good do that, and it really made my head like hurt a little. Well, don't even not with this girl. Like, she was so promising, Kennedy. Megan Good was so promising.
SPEAKER_03I didn't understand where I don't understand. She left that pastor, which is good for her. I don't know what was going on there. I thought from what I heard it was not a good relationship. Hmm. Okay. That's cool. I guess that's maybe why they got divorced or something from her point of view. Um, but I was like, so you left a pastor and we're single. I was supporting the single era. I was like, okay, period. Love that thing. Like Tracy Ellis Ross. Like, yeah, you don't have to be of course. Or Regina uh Hall. You don't have to be married to be happy. Right. That's cool, especially because if marriage is very is pushed on women specifically to have us like held down and all that. And it's fine if you want to get married, but I think you need to want to be married for it being pushed on you, right?
SPEAKER_02But to go from that single to abuser, but yeah. I also think that like it would have been different if we're talking about prime jonathan majors, you know what I mean? Like prime when he had his Marvel contract still, when people were still when he when he was supposed to know about him, right? When we didn't know about him, when we didn't, when we thought he was just this cool guy who just you know had his startup and when he was actor and he was supposed to be casting for sinners, because that you y'all cannot tell me he wasn't supposed to be side by side with Michael B. Jordan. That was supposed to be his that was supposed to be his pivotal moment. They were they were the dude.
SPEAKER_03I didn't watch Creed 3, but I watched the second Creed, I think, and I was like, Yeah. So I I'm gonna share this. Don't beat me up, okay?
SPEAKER_02Oh gosh, I'm scared.
SPEAKER_00No, no, it's nothing to happen.
SPEAKER_02I'm not your opinion sometimes, Ken.
SPEAKER_00Girl, but I think I just don't see it for Michael B. Jordan.
SPEAKER_02Oh, oh Ken. Ken.
SPEAKER_03I don't see it.
SPEAKER_02Okay, when he had his Steve Harvey mustache era, I said, uh, but he was right with everything.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean Was he trying to be her daddy? Probably perhaps, perhaps.
SPEAKER_02Just when he wanted a family and all that jazz. Oh. Which uh is very confusing to me because it's like, yes, he is uh if he's if he's saying that he does want a family or whatever, I would have thought he would have already had one if we're talking about a man who wants to get away.
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna say what no one else is saying. Oh gosh, Kevin. He's almost let me let me double check how old he is first. He's almost pushing 40.
SPEAKER_02He's about to be 40. I I'd say maybe what 36, 37? Are you looking?
SPEAKER_03I'm looking it up because if he's the same age as Drake, then that's something might be wrong with me. I could be Jordan not having a wife at this point in time. When he could want a family one, right? Maybe something he's 39 years old.
SPEAKER_04We we was giving him the benefit of the doubt.
SPEAKER_03You want a family? Something's wrong with you, you need to fix it. Okay, I don't know. Michael B. Jordan, if you're ever listening to this, do it for me. I don't know what's wrong with you. Uh we're gonna fix you.
SPEAKER_02I just I just I mean, because it is one thing if he's just living his life, you know what I'm saying? Because it could also be something where people are saying these things out of just a simple fact that they don't like Lori Harvey and thinking that the way she was dating people hate her, yeah. Which I'm just very confused about because I'm like, did he did he say that? Or are we, or not necessarily we, but people who are in defense of him trying to protect him, and he doesn't need any protection. I'm sure Lori and Michael B. Jordan are probably just fine. Lori is definitely good, Lori is very solid, right?
SPEAKER_03Like she seems to be living her life and dating like a regular person. Yeah, and it's we shall be a Lori Harvey. I don't know what she's doing in her relationships, but I'm like, to be able to date freely without judgment like a woman, women can't do that and get away with it because men are like, oh, she's lost her value. It's like I Michael B.
SPEAKER_02Jordan at a basketball game looking sad, but like the thing about it, like the thing about it is is that like I want people to understand because like him being a sad boy don't really phase me for real because I'm like he's not out here being disrespectful. Like, if you like Damson wasn't being disrespectful when he wasn't with her, other people that were in relationships with her was not being disrespectful. The only people I feel were are being disrespectful is people that doesn't will never have the chance with her. We've never heard Michael B. Jordan. Like, who said that she did this? Who said she did if it's not the people who was actually in relationships with her saying, yeah, things didn't work out because she did this, or things didn't work out because we just had um some differences. Where are y'all getting this idea that she was the problem if Damson went right back to date this person and say, I'm in love with you, girl, let's make it work. Doesn't seem like a doesn't seem like a person who don't like this person to me.
SPEAKER_03I know he's there for a good check. I don't know. Maybe so. And if that's for him, I love that. But he definitely got right back with her. He sure did. And he living it, he living lavishly. How old is Lori Harvey actually? Because she seems a little young.
SPEAKER_02She's probably like 30. Yeah, she's probably maybe just she probably 29. Oh sometimes I'd be forgetting that y'all looked a little older.
SPEAKER_03I thought she was in her 30s. Oh, well, why the hell was she dating Michael B. Jordan?
SPEAKER_02She was like our age when she was dating him, to be honest.
SPEAKER_00They 10 years apart. I don't want no family either.
SPEAKER_02It's not like he's starting his family, he's living his best life. When did he say that that's what I'm trying to like understand?
SPEAKER_03When did he say are we just making a narrative? I don't know. I just think he's a corny man. That's all I gotta say. Cause I think I do know that he does keep his relationships on the down low, but I recently had to look him up recently because I was like, Wait, how he can surprise his age? I think somebody mentioned him on Twitter for another like acting role or something. I was like, is he doing something else? I thought he was done after sitters and just like you know chilled out, pull that in, get back out. Yeah, right. As normal actors do. Okay, exactly. Um, but I was looking up his relationships and I was like, was he with Kim Jenner Baru? He was wow.
SPEAKER_01Really? They did date.
SPEAKER_03Oh we're having our own moments today. Yes. I didn't know he was 10 years older than Lori Harvey. When did they date? Hold on, I gotta look.
SPEAKER_02I think they did it, didn't they date during 20, like around 2020?
SPEAKER_03That is what the AI overview says. I'm going to People Magazine. Because you can't trust the AI overview. The magazine, they got it all.
SPEAKER_02Wow. They have a full they said, let's look at the timeline.
SPEAKER_03They always have a timeline for everybody. I got the information on Serena Carpenter, Olivia Rodrigo, and uh Joshua.
SPEAKER_02I said, Oh, oh goodness, I could not follow that up. I was like, listen, I am so dated from Disney Channel, I don't know what's what, what's going on.
SPEAKER_03I only knew about that because I was like, oh, driver's license came out, but I was like, I'm watching High School Musical, the musical, the series, which is a pretty good show. But I didn't realize that that came out the same time that that song came out, and it was about him. And I was like, wait, what's happening? And I didn't realize at that point, Sabrina Carpenter put out a song, and I said, You should have kept that in the draft sister, but it's okay. I thought it was a butt.
SPEAKER_02Oh goodness, this thing trash, niece.
SPEAKER_03No, it was it was pretty bad. This was before her espresso. This is before emails I can't send. Like really, I said no, it was it's I'm glad she turned it around. You're not gonna get under my under my under my skin.
unknownShh.
SPEAKER_03Oh.
SPEAKER_02I'm glad she turned it around. That's good.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, me too, because people were sending her death threats and everything.
SPEAKER_00Oh, that was really wow. This is a really cute picture.
SPEAKER_02This that is so adorable. No wonder they kind of blended. No, I honestly like them together because I remember he took her to the quarter.
SPEAKER_03He was kind of good here.
SPEAKER_00No, they have to be a hypocrite. You put your hand out. I'm not here for him by herself. Lori's there.
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh. But I mean, like sometimes when you're in a relationship, it's that glow, you know? It's the glow sometimes.
SPEAKER_03I don't know if he's glowing, but she's definitely glowing. Yeah. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04I no wonder they probably still have like relationship stuff being posted about them because they look good together.
SPEAKER_02Oh, they were together for like two years. Wow. That's a solid amount of time. This is all together. Wow. Wow. So it was 2020 or 2021.
SPEAKER_03It was 2020 and they broke up in 2022.
SPEAKER_02Oh wow.
SPEAKER_03Wow.
SPEAKER_02I remember he took it to the aquarium. I do remember. That was nice.
SPEAKER_03I remember that, yeah. Oh Michael, you have some money.
SPEAKER_04He was trying to show her a good time.
SPEAKER_02I love you, girl. That's beautiful. I mean, shoot. Remember this picture, mate. This would have gone crazy on Wattpad.
SPEAKER_03Oh yes. Gotta go back to Wattpad, yes. Oh, I okay. They made their red carpet debut. Little did they know they were breaking up this year, but I'm watching this as an all-looker.
SPEAKER_00Like, oh, I didn't know all this was going on.
SPEAKER_03People magazine really kept up with it. When they break up. Wait, hold on. Reverse that. Oh, they broke up in June 2022. Mmm.
SPEAKER_02During the summertime? Yikes.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_02We outside. Michael wasn't. Somebody was inside. They was outside.
SPEAKER_03Also, a source close to the former couple told people that Jordan and Harvey have gone their separate ways. I don't like that because why am I not letting the people know? We're done. You gotta have a what? Yeah, that's confusing. That's weird. Also, this person seems to know a lot. The source says Michael and Lori completely heartbroken. Oh. They still love each other. Michael matured a lot over the course of their relationship and was ready to commit for the long term. He let his guard down with her, opening up emotionally in a romantic relationship for the first time. They had great. Sorry, my eyebrows lifted, but um What does this mean? Also, because this is the source Michael B. Jordan? I don't see a single thing about oh I think they were supposed to get it. He wanted her family. Oh this is it. So Michael matured over a lot over the course of their relationship and was ready to commit for the long term. He let down his guard with her, opening up emotionally in a romantic relationship for the first time. As the source, they had a great they had great times together and brought out the best of each other. A source close to the model and influencer. So this is Lori's people. Okay. A source close to the model and influencers tells People magazine that Harvey wasn't, quote unquote, ready to commit. Which is what led to their breakup. She's very focused on her career. Huh. According to the insider, Harvey, quote unquote, realized that they weren't on the same page while she and Jordan were making plans for the future. She still wants to have fun and be free. This horse says Michael's a great guy. She's sad that their relationship didn't work out, but she's moving on. I can see why he was sad.
SPEAKER_01Basketball game, that would be true. He wanted that rang. He wanted to give her that rang. Thank you.
SPEAKER_03People magazine has it, and y'all look very good. Specifically, for the people who cannot see this photo, I'm gonna show it one more time. That was a good photo. That was a good photo. He was living Harvey's cheek, and it seems like they are somewhere in the tropics. Yeah, turn it up. He looks very good here, and I'm saying this to somebody who does not think he's very fine. So you must know.
SPEAKER_00I know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I mean, that kind of sucks because it's like that was two years, but then again, it's like once you realize that hey, she probably she just wanted to maybe have some silly fun time. And he probably was just dating for like fun, maybe to see where it goes. He probably was like, Or maybe they were on the same page at some point. He was just like, I really, I really love you.
SPEAKER_03And I will after two years, you know. Yeah. Honestly, after a year.
SPEAKER_04After a year, you first trip the aquarium, you don't just do that for just any five years.
SPEAKER_02That aquarium, listen, that could have been a proposal right then and there.
SPEAKER_00I would have been doing backflips in this aquarium. Listen, I I'm surprised. I was shocked because I didn't know this was happening.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. She wrote it in the tiny font in the corner. You know. Like the girls be doing when they write in the tiny font in the corner. In the corner. Like you gotta get the gotta get the full picture.
SPEAKER_02My big my man did for me. Right. This is what my man, I remember. The north remembers.
SPEAKER_00I didn't remember this. I remember getting all this tea in real time. I remember this.
SPEAKER_03I'm very fresh and very new. Hey, people magazine is on it. Wow. Listen, this is why they call people. Wow. Lori Harvey deletes all her social media posts of Michael B. Jordan. Michael B. Jordan deletes all his posts of Lori B. Harvey. Yeah. Wow.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_03So she did it first. And they've unfollowed each other. Ooh. Well, I get it. And then shortly after Harvey wiped her social media, the actor followed suit. Ooh.
SPEAKER_02Ooh. Not good for her brand, I get. Not good for the brand. Not good for the brand. My sister had to be out.
SPEAKER_03Oh, he posted Saturday Night Live? Oh. Oh, I remember that.
SPEAKER_02I remember that.
SPEAKER_03Oh, he's on Raya. Oh, I hate when they go on Saturday Night Live and start joking about themselves and their sadness.
SPEAKER_02It's always what does Saturday Night Live know when you hurt? And they just like they check up on you. Let's monetize on this have been too many times I've seen people monetize when they go on Saturday Night Live. I said, oh, oh, you're going through a real thing right now.
SPEAKER_03This was his first public breakup.
SPEAKER_02When did he go to that basketball game? That also matters too. If he went like the following month, come on. Come on, game. He reunited with her dad a year later at a NBA basketball game. I mean, Steve R everywhere, so I'm not even surprised.
SPEAKER_03That man don't care about nothing but himself and his mustache and his bald head. So his teeth. And his big old teeth. Like Dr. Brown from Charlotte Flowers High School. Please. He do he got big teeth. Michael B. Jordan. I'm looking all up in this. I didn't even know. Hold on. We've diverted.
SPEAKER_02We have deaf. I mean, it's still, it's still around uh.
SPEAKER_03Where is it? He he is friends with Drake's, huh? Well, that's why he's not married. I'll say it. Because I uh you're almost four years old. I did not know Lori Harvey was about our age. Yeah. He's born 1997. Yeah. Of course I'm not trying to get married to you. What? You can have that family with somebody your age. Because you know, I I kind of realized he was a little corny. Dang, where is this dang clip of him looking sad? Michael B. Jordan is. I gotta be specific on Google. Michael B. Jordan sad. It's like when Drake and uh here it is! Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_00Oh sorry, it's these clips. They look like a mess.
SPEAKER_03Oh, people got the Z has it. Oh, we got it now. So they broke up in June 2022. He went to that basketball game in June 2022.
SPEAKER_04Oh gosh. And we was out here clowning.
SPEAKER_02Oh Ken.
SPEAKER_00Oh this is I'm sorry, this is what I'm gonna do.
SPEAKER_02This brought up so much context that it makes no kind of sense. Oh stand alone. I thought that it was like the following.
SPEAKER_03It was fresh.
SPEAKER_02Oh gosh. This this makes a lot of sense, actually. This makes this This is killing me. Oh jeez. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's the person who's sad.
SPEAKER_03That's the person who's really sad. They made him a cap cut looking sad. Oh my god. Oh jeez. It's like when Drake was at that basketball game after he found out Rihanna was pregnant. I pulled that up too.
SPEAKER_02What a loser. Was that when he was looking at his phone?
SPEAKER_00Or you know I got that teeth.
SPEAKER_03I love seeing Drake sad.
SPEAKER_00You don't deserve happiness.
SPEAKER_03If I'm making a fun of a woman who was with me briefly in a relationship for 10 years, it's 2026. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yana has children.
SPEAKER_02And I also feel like he feel that way with everybody. He feel that way with Nikki. He feel that way with uh Serena. He feel that way with everyone. Like, I don't understand. Like, you can't be a sad boy with every single person. Michael B. Jordan, that kind of makes sense. They were really like together.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. But yeah, you know, he only has smoke for women.
SPEAKER_02What's up with that? Yeah, that's also another thing, too. That's also another thing.
SPEAKER_03If you want to speak about having a boyfriend, it's embarrassing. If Drake's on your arm in the big 2026 or any your following, honestly, in my eyes, if Drake was your partner at any point in time, you deserve some type of um rebate in that religion. You deserve some freedom and because what he was doing, he's a cornball. There's a reason. Let me look up how old Drake is in real time to make sure we understand Drake's age. As he just released apparently three albums, which he's also 39 years old. Okay. Buddy, I hate to tell you this. You might be the loser. There's a reason we didn't know about that child of yours. Yeah. There's a reason we didn't know about that baby mama of yours either. Because you were embarrassed. Mm-hmm. Not our fault. Definitely he wants a family. Yeah. He's a loser. Don't. What was Drake's high school GPA? I don't care. Why do we even know that? Oh my god. Question on Google. How many kids does Drake have? One. Allegedly. Yeah. You know what? The other day I just found out that um Kay Michelle and Idris Elba dated. Yeah. For when? Like K Michelle. I'm not joking. I said, I said that too because I said, what? It didn't even last a year. Well, because he had a baby on her. I'm not making this up. I don't think I want to know that.
SPEAKER_00This album? Idris. This is his album. I was like, you're joking. Idris.
SPEAKER_02Oh, he's he's made sure he's had a very clean record. Wow.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I I found that out last night and I said, K Michelle and Idris opened. People are like, Yeah, I remember that. What did that happen? I don't remember that happening. They had a it was a secret eight-month relationship. Whoa! She just from Jezico.com. I don't know if we can trust this. Why is that why is that name of the website, jezigo.com? K Michelle finally opens up about ex-boyfriend it just elbow getting engaged, December 2020 from Essence. But isn't K Machelle Maybe I Should Call. So if you um as a listener have never heard this information, as I did not, Maybe I should call is about Andra Zella.
SPEAKER_02Oh I wanna listen to that to see what that's a really good song. I was like, I literally had to do a deep dive last night. I was like, when the heck did that happen? Don't tell me uh raise a man is about him too. Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_03Oh damn, I can't compete with a baby.
SPEAKER_02Oh, the silence is deafening. It's quite loud. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00Wikipedia got it!
SPEAKER_02The saxophone it's loud.
SPEAKER_03It's loud, it's really loud. I legit did not know that that was happening until last night. So I thought that that was fun pop culture lore to share with you. Wow. We're all finding out about things today. Michael B. Jordan was looking sad at that basketball game, looking sad. Well, I mean, he should have stayed home for real, for real. Like you didn't have to go to that game, buddy.
SPEAKER_02You didn't have to go to that game. Nobody's taking your love life seriously. Oh I would be sick, but also why are you dating people significantly younger than you? Mmm. Interesting.
SPEAKER_03I think I need to become a journalist because that's a good question. Kindle Jenner? Mmm. How old is Kinder Jenner?
SPEAKER_02She's probably like what 28? 29? I can see her being 29. She's 30. Okay.
SPEAKER_03I mean nine years older. Oh, have you dated anybody with who's like like closer in your age? Like you're, I don't know, you're about to be four years old. Let's remember he dated Snow Allegra, too, I'm pretty sure. Did he? Or maybe that was just a music video thing when they were kissing each other. But oh. He's 38, probably the closest person to age to him.
SPEAKER_02Oh gosh. And it's not even a possibility that they were to get there.
SPEAKER_03Oh Michael. Boy, do I have some questions for you?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Interesting.
SPEAKER_02That um wraps it all up, folks. We're gonna end it on this note because it makes you think. You gotta ponder on these things. Ask yourself this before you go.
SPEAKER_03What is the embarrassment or the embarrassing part of having a boyfriend? The boy, yourself, or the performance of being in a relationship?
SPEAKER_02Mmm. That's a real question you gotta ask yourself. And also, who are you doing this for? Is it embarrassing for you or is it embarrassing for society?
SPEAKER_03Is it embarrassing because you're posting it on social media? We probably shouldn't be. Certain aspects of it.
SPEAKER_02Were you applying societal roles for how we look at celebrities to your own bottom-tier life and relationship? You gotta ask yourself that. You're not a celebrity, you don't make millions and trillions of dollars. Why are you hiding his face like he's a billionaire? We have to reflect.
SPEAKER_03We have to reflect inward so we don't end up like Michael B. Jordan at that basketball game, y'all. That was true.
SPEAKER_00That was fresh, sadness.
SPEAKER_02That was fresh. If it's ever fresh, stay home. If it's ever fresh, please. Come outside, turn up. He was by himself. He was by he didn't have not a single friend next to him.
SPEAKER_03He was like a Saturday camera at that Golden State Warriors game.
SPEAKER_02Like rooting. Don't even know who he was rooting for. His eyes was watery, and he was ready, he was ready to tear up. It looked like he'd just been crying and came out there.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that was super fresh. Yeah, he didn't have to leave the house for that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. He found out what we found out, and she probably unfollowed him that day. She probably did.
SPEAKER_03Of him first.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, she didn't even follow suit immediately after.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Oh my god. He has to go to that game.
SPEAKER_02Maybe he thought that was holding. He could have watched that on TV at home. He could have watched that. I mean, he I'm sure has a big screen TV that he could have invited his friends. He could have had a full-blown party and said, you know what? Bump that relationship. I'ma just do me. I'ma be me.
SPEAKER_03And he said, I'm trying to understand who told him to go out the house looking sad that day. Like, I don't know who his friends are, but they're not your friends.
SPEAKER_02They're not your friends. They're not your friends.
SPEAKER_03Now you're a gif.
SPEAKER_02That video made me laugh so hard. Because it's like so sad. Like, wow, you are in physical visible pain.
SPEAKER_03Visible. I wanted to make before I bego. Along with this, we already said this. We understand that there's a power dynamic with men in society when it comes to laws, finances, societal crime, and war. Especially knowing that thin side has been on the rise and in the forefront, especially this year in 2026 from March and April. We need to hold men accountable for their actions without excusing them, implicating them, and don't use patriarchy misogyny as an excuse to be mean to men in the name of justice. Instead of complaining and finding a villain in men, we should demand change from them.
SPEAKER_02Yep. Demand change, communicate with them. The main thing is how I always view it is I want somebody to share with me how I'm dealing in my relationships. Or when I was dating. And you know, you've done things, right? You've said things, you've didn't do things, and it was expected of you that you never knew. And so, like you mentioned earlier, some of these people have not been taught. All a lot of us that are in the dating pool have not been taught in relationships. We are learning through our partnerships, we are learning through society, we are learning through being on social media, and some of us are on social media, like they're on it. And so, where do you think you're gonna be taught? You're gonna be taught by your experiences, you're gonna be taught by somebody else's experience, and you're gonna want to just make something and see if this applies to you, if it doesn't apply to you. So, yes, I would want somebody to have a conversation with me if I have messed up to say, hey, look, um I like that. Okay, I never knew that. I never knew that I was not supposed to do that.
SPEAKER_00No, we talked about that before.
SPEAKER_02Oh, oh is that weird.
SPEAKER_00This is my normal everyday.
SPEAKER_04Yes. Oh, you turn it around and you pull up my pants down. I am barebutt naked right now. Thank you so much for showing me.
SPEAKER_03Yes, did we have discussed this? You know what? Yes, yeah, we that was a very funny conversation. Hilarious because it's like opening.
SPEAKER_02How listen, how eye opening and thank you so much. Because it's like it could have been a thing of that person not wanting to be around you anymore, that person not wanting to have conversations with you, you know, and that's just not reality. And I think that we have to we have to grow up, it's not reality. To pick up and just always leave constantly because you know, you like you said, you need to demand change from men. You we need to start telling men and also women, we need to start telling people this. I don't like that.
SPEAKER_03I don't like it. You know, you don't know who you are. Yeah, you're not in a relationship. You really genuinely coming from experience, yes, can trust who you are as a person may not be the same person as you are in a relationship. Even if you're not shrinking yourself, you're like, Oh, I didn't, I thought I would handle this. Right. Exactly. Yeah, interesting, but you did it, but that's okay. That's how you learn more about yourself. Exactly. When you get into a relationship, it's don't pull their pants down.
SPEAKER_02Yep. Don't pull your pants down. Hey, hey, they're gonna poke at you and it's gonna feel real naked, and you're gonna be like, Oh my gosh, I did not know that I had to find inner workings because you thought that you were like the ish in your friendships. You thought that you did the work, you did not. You there's nothing actually that's been worked on. The coloring book is empty.
SPEAKER_03Swept the band-aid on it and said, Oh, that that looks good. Yeah, there's no color on the pages actually. So let's get some crayons out and see doing that work. That's the easiest way I can explain it. It's like, oh, this is a bear coloring book. This when you were a kid, you colored outside the lines, you're an adult, you're coloring inside the lines. And I remember one time actually I posted on my story, I was coloring. Yeah, and somebody said, You color are weird. I scribbled. Why? They told me that and I changed.
SPEAKER_04She changed. And look at her.
SPEAKER_03I did not color any Richmond. I didn't direction.
SPEAKER_00I was like, oh, I thought I was doing a good job at coloring.
SPEAKER_03Why did they show you? Hold up. I just colored something at work. I was like, oh, I was bored at work, so I just wanted to color a summer beach thing. They're like, yo, beach wall looks messed up.
SPEAKER_04You couldn't even be whimsy. They were like, no, we're not gonna do that.
SPEAKER_03I thought about it every day since the color correctly.
SPEAKER_04Gosh, you couldn't even be whimsy.
SPEAKER_03That's life. Somebody has to tell you. That looks stupid. That looks dumb. And I looked back at it and I said, that's actually the worst coloring job I've ever done in my life. You're so right. It's like the scribbles were going everywhere, and the color pencils, so you can see the change. Whereas if you just do it all in one direction, right? Jeez. I don't know why you told me that. Oh, the mess.
SPEAKER_02We've been talking about it ever since. It's really crazy. The thing that I would think about, I remember this, uh, I remember this scene on um what was it? It was uh the ultimatum. And these two were having an argument, and um, I think we're together now. I think like they got married or whatever, blah blah blah. But it was like real, it was like real life, and so I guess she didn't want him talking to other people, which was the rule of the game that they had to get to know others because it's an ultimatum, and so she had a conversation. Yeah, it was like an ultimatum, and it's so they got to know other people, and I don't know if it was supposed to be like a thing of showing like you need to have appreciation for your partner and actually get married to them because they want to be married, but they marry other individuals, like they play house with other people to see what that life is like, like, oh, you know, um uh some things that I like in this person or some things I don't like in this person. I mean, I can see where they are trying to go, but it's also like after a while with dating shows, which I am bearing often, I'm sorry. After a while with dating shows, you realize that people aren't really going on there to do the work, they're on there because they want to be famous. So it's like Love Island, USA season eight, guys. Love is blind, you know. We and we're starting to get those uh those uh plots where they're like, I'm just here for the money. Okay season seven, that DC season, that was a that was a very rough season. That's not who we represent, yeah. We don't represent those people, yeah. No, thank you. I think they were actually from Nova. Yes, they were from Nova, and they were people that were coming from all these different places, they weren't actually from DC. Yo, if they got some real DMV life, DC right, yeah, that would have been the real DM.
SPEAKER_03I don't know if anybody left that show except for like one couple in a happy, loving, happy relationship. There was another couple, but I looked up Tyler. Oh how's he doing? Well, he had a court case recently. The thing I remember he's available in the Maryland Judiciary case search, which is my Bible, yeah, so very clearly on here says child support.
SPEAKER_02Interesting. Start doing research, y'all. Start doing y'all research if you're from Maryland.
SPEAKER_03Let me tell you. Maryland Judiciary Case Search.
SPEAKER_02It'll show you something.
SPEAKER_03And axe! And axe, too, because it doesn't show you everything.
SPEAKER_02You can ask. What's this? Yep. What this for? What this for, and it will tell you, it will definitely tell you, it will tell you. It's crazy, but um, oh my gosh, okay, let me backtrack. So little ultimatum. So they were having a conversation, and she was like saying these things, right? And he was like, So I'm not supposed to talk to like other people, like even though like this is why we're on this show, like, I can't talk to other women because you're gonna get jealous. And she basically like confirmed like that was her belief that he should not be speaking to other people, and so he was like, That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard you say. Yeah, and I feel like some people need that understanding. What she said was dumb.
SPEAKER_05That was dumb.
SPEAKER_02I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_03I think we have to be more honest with people. Yeah, that's the freakiest thing you ever told me in your life, you freak. Yeah, we gotta start bringing that stuff back. Yeah, what did we say the other day? What's your damage? Oh, yeah. Oh my gosh, Kenny said we gotta bring that back. I said, Don't worry. Yeah, it's coming. It is coming. What's your freaking damage, bro? Yep, yep. Because, yeah, yeah. Also, yeah, women do need to be held accountable as well for certain actions that they do. We're not perfect. You can't blame the patriarchy for so long. Yeah. Before you're like, oh well, maybe this was a choice that I've also made too. Patriarchy not including that system, that's a whole different thing. Yeah, yeah. But like, hey, that what what you just said about the ultimatum? Ultimatum, yeah. That's some bro, that's a red flag for that woman. What do you mean that's supposed to talk to nobody else? That's the whole point of the dang show.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, exactly. You brought him on the case. I think that's also another thing. Don't try to dis don't try to bring things into the atmosphere like what we discussed earlier. If you can't handle the heat, why you turn on the kitchen? Why we in the kitchen? Yeah, we could be in bed. We could be in bed talking this out and making your own ultimatum, not for us viewers, to see that you literally did not sign up for this. Yes, y'all did. You dragged him on the show, you dragged him on the show, and when he's doing good and he's he mingling and mixing, now you're upset. Oh, we are drained, but in any in any way, we might even have a part two because there's a lot of things that we can talk about when it comes on to these reality dating shows.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah. That is a good uh anthropology study for us watching reality TV dating shows, especially from back then to now, because everybody can get so much acclaim. Season six Love Island USA. If you were there, you were there. Serena Cordell, love exactly doing great, love Janae. Um, Leah's cool. I don't really care for her or her relationship, but I'm glad that they're cool. Yeah, but I was there for Serena and Cordell. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I honestly feel like they kind of I haven't really watched Love Island, so I can't necessarily say what really popularized the show, but I will say that seeing them and um seeing them as people outside of the show, I do feel like it brought some people in to watch it.
SPEAKER_03Oh, it was. I remember I didn't even watch that season in real time, but I remember there was a clip that was circulating on Twitter, and I said, Oh, let me watch this. This was before they even got on the pier and was arguing or whatever. Woo!
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I have the tweet. I said, Oh, let me tune into this season of Love Island, and then they won.
SPEAKER_03I love that. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, season six really changed the game because season seven is Alandria, yeah. But it it was uh it was a rough watch from all angles, men and women. It was a very different feel. I was like, oh, there's a lot of people who should not have passed the site who have made it on the show, right? Yikes that means that anybody can go on Love Island. Oh, you might see me season nine, everybody? Right, vote for me.
SPEAKER_02I might say, listen, I'm vote for you because you're gonna tell it how it is. You might get producers talking to you on the side, though. I can see that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they're like, can you not?
SPEAKER_02Actually, no, let me let me shake up the table a bit.
SPEAKER_03Give me a drink. I'm like to go to Fiji to be trapped. Oh, that's a really like interesting. I don't like that concept. Bikini's every day, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I that'd be that's another conversation we can definitely have because is that degrading? Uh we definitely can have that conversation for sure, because I feel like there is a further thing of thinking about hmm, why? Because I think that there is a thing of giving a lot of alcohol on those shows as well, just to fuel.
SPEAKER_03Oh, they definitely don't love is blind.
SPEAKER_02Oh, 100%.
SPEAKER_03What you think are in the island? They only limit them, they only limit them to one. Dell, like y'all gotta pick y'all selves. Everybody eat avocado toast every day. I don't even like avocados.
SPEAKER_02I'm about to leave this joy, it's skitty. Oh, like crazy, absolutely crazy. But oh my gosh, thank you, Ken, so much for being here and chatting with me. Thanks for having me. This was so fun. I love getting a good laugh with you. Like, oh one thing about us, we're gonna laugh.
unknownWe will laugh.
SPEAKER_03Sorry, Michael. I'm I really when I just laughed, I thought about Michael getting being sad. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_02Being sad, I cannot. I love that we brought up so much context, all of it makes so much sense. Sad boy, of course. Why wouldn't he? Why wouldn't he? I thought it was fresh, super duper fresh.
SPEAKER_03Who let him leave?
SPEAKER_02Who let him? He should have. Question your relationship choices, yes. Question your relationship choices, be mindful of what you post on social media because me, yes, because Kennedy and I will definitely talk about you. We will, we will be. What's up? What's up? What's going on? So, what's happening now? Okay, right. Are you well? Are you well? Yeah, we are gonna ask you. Fly over there, yeah. Best believe. We care about y'all. We want to make sure everyone's good. Like, if you're gonna show it, okay. You have some very caring people, one and two, right?
SPEAKER_03Or just choose yourself and be happy, you know? Yep, you can be Tracy Ellis Ross, Regina Hall. Oh, Maya, another black person happy. Uh dang, what's her name? Her name's not coming to me. Angela said definitely has a husband. So does Cheryl.
SPEAKER_02Like, I can respect! Yes, Neilong, yes. I can definitely respect like Angela for being in that relationship. Listen, that's a very well when he stands up to take a photo of her and record her every time. Yeah, he loves her, he loves her down. He cares for her. So be that. Don't be jealous. Yeah, that's love. That's love. You're doing it for the both of you guys.
SPEAKER_03So that's another problem in relationships with jealousy, but we're not even good. We can talk about that in the next episode.
SPEAKER_02Oh, we have a lot to share.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02We have a lot to say, but I'm not even yay!
SPEAKER_03Everyone tune in. Everyone, please tune in. I should have said that at the beginning.
SPEAKER_02After we've shared all we needed to share. Oh, yeah, 100%.
unknownDon't worry.
SPEAKER_03There's going to be clips posted on Instagram from this guy. I need to tune in.
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